In honor of Asian American and Pacific Islander (AAPI) Heritage Month, hosts Koji Steven Sakai and Michelle Malizaki take the podcast on the road to the Japanese American National Museum (JANM) in Little Tokyo. In this special archival episode, they dive into a landmark 2024 conversation with the legendary George Takei, recorded by Sharon Yamato during the Tule Lake Pilgrimage.
George reflects on his family’s cross-country odyssey through the American concentration camp system, from the swamps of Rohwer, Arkansas, to the high-security Segregation Center at Tule Lake. He provides a visceral description of Tule Lake as the most militarized of all ten camps—complete with three layers of barbed wire, machine gun towers, and tanks patrolling the perimeter.
The heart of the episode explores the “logic of dissent” and the “no-win” nature of Question 28 in the government’s Loyalty Questionnaire. George also shares the profound lessons he learned from his father about “participatory democracy” and the responsibility of citizens to ensure that a “government of the people” does not slide into autocracy.
Highlights include:
• The origins of his bestselling graphic novel, They Called Us Enemy, and his children’s book, My Lost Freedom.
• The reality of life inside the Tule Lake stockade and the “incompetence of racism” found in the government’s literacy traps.
• A powerful warning for 2026: Why democracy is a choice that requires active participation every single day.
Tune in for a deep look at the fragility of American ideals and the enduring strength of the Japanese American spirit.
CREDITS
The music was created by Jalen Blank
Written by Koji Steven Sakai
Hosts: Michelle Malazaki and Koji Steven Sakai
Edited by Koji Steven Sakai
Produced by Koji Steven Sakai in conjunction with the Japanese American National Museum
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